CONCEPTUAL ART CURATORIAL
PRACTICE
Beijing-based artist and curator
Liu Ding and Chinese curator Carol Yinghua Lu
recently wrapped up a European tour of two unique collaborative
projects, Liu Ding’s Store and Little Movements, in which
conversations about art become artworks in their own
right.
Liu Ding, 'Nº 15', oil on canvas, 60 cm
x 90 cm, price: RMB 2,500. Each painting is hand-signed by the
artist; the exact place of signing will vary for each work. From
the Liu Ding's Store product line called Take Home and Make Real
the Priceless in Your Heart. Image courtesy artist.
Liu Ding, 'Nº 15 (back view)', oil on
canvas, 60 cm x 90 cm, price: RMB 2,500. Each painting is
hand-signed by the artist; the exact place of signing will vary for
each work. From the Liu Ding's Store product line called Take Home
and Make Real the Priceless in Your Heart. Image courtesy
artist.
Ding recently completed a one-month residency at the Chinese Arts Centre in
Manchester, where he built on an ongoing project called Liu
Ding’s Store – In Conversations. The project was facilitated by
Carol Yinghua Lu, who is one of the most dynamic critics and
curators in China today. At the close of the residency the duo
travelled to Liverpool, London, Vienna and Winterthur, taking
another related collaborative project, Little Movements, with
them.
Liu Ding’s Store: Art
ideas for sale
Liu Ding’s Store, which was launched in
2008, employs the concept of a shop to establish
an ongoing platform for thinking and discussion around the value of
art, focussing on art
practice. The Store has four
of what Liu calls “product lines” – unfinished
paintings with the artist’s signature, themed store fronts
showcasing high and low cultural products, private conversations the artist has conducted with art
practitioners in specific contexts, and a psychological space
and physical setting for making friends – and
is used as a tool by the artist to rethink of some
of the most fundamental issues influencing contemporary art
today.
The focus for the European tour was on conversation, and through
effective discussions on subjects such as the
power artists hold (or do not hold), classification in art and how
and what intellectual and economic values are
embedded in artworks and human
relationships, the project sought to generate new
forms of institutional critique. Discussion partners and topics are
selected by Ding but the location and time the talk is to be held
is decided by all participants. Conversations are private, an
audience is not required or desired, although Carol Lu sits in as
moderator.
'The Utopian Future of Art, Our Reality:
The Weight of An Art History Book + antiques' (2009-10).
Installation view at Galerie Urs Meile. Image courtesy artist.
We asked Carol Yinghua Lu and Liu Ding to answer some questions
surrounding the development of the Liu Ding’s Store concept and how
the project challenges and emphasises current artistic and
curatorial concerns in China and globally.
Can you share with us how the concept of Liu Ding’s
Store evolved?
Liu Ding
(LD): Through my work as an artist and curator, I
have been thinking about relationships and possibilities
embedded in art systems. My Store is an ongoing
investigation of these concerns. It is constantly evolving and
changing, but the main debate centres on the politics of art
value.
Is the Store a crystallisation of all your artistic
thinking and production?
LD: It is only a part of my art. I
have other photography works and experience-based projects, but the
common thread [that runs between these projects] deals with how we
as individuals relate to the art system. The current four
‘[product] lines’ [for the Store] take on different directions in
an interrogation of the art system.
Theme store: The Perfect Sphere, Product
line 'The Utopian Future of Art, Our Reality'. There are 40 items
in this cabinet. The unit price is the result of the total amount
divided by 40. Image courtesy artist.
Which objects in the Store are for sale and which are
purely non-sellable “thoughts”?
LD: Everything [in the Store] is
sellable. Intellectual exchange and psychological space are all
sellable. Prices range from … cheaper than [what you might find in
a] supermarket to … as high as a painting sold in a
gallery. Fundamentally, my Store is not a gallery
or an institution, so it does not need to bear the task of
following a strict ‘objective’. This leaves me with room to adjust
my agenda so I have more self-dependent control of the project.
The project began in 2008. Does this
inception date have anything to do with the beginning of the global
financial crisis, or is it a pure coincidence?
LD: More the latter. Nav
Haq, the curator of Arnolfini in Bristol conceived “Far West“, an exhibition in the form of a
concept store. I was invited to the show [and] I [had] just started
to consider using a ‘store’ as a form around that time, too. So it
was a coincidence that solidified my decision to establish Liu
Ding’s Store, but it still took me about one year to become clear
on the running and structure of such a project.
Can you talk more specifically about the conversations
you developed while an artist in residence at Manchester’s Chinese
Arts Centre? Also, can you identify some of the formal parameters
surrounding the conversations held in your Store?
LD: I had two conversations with
[Chief Executive of the Chinese Arts Centre] Sally
Lai and [Chinese Arts Centre] curator Ying
Kwok on the direction of institutions and how to
become an institution. They each lasted two hours. Beyond this we
visited other artists and curators, a crucial part of this
residency.
‘Conversations’ started last year.
They are private – not a negotiation, not a debate, not an
interview – and are extremely specific on one pre-agreed topic. I
held six conversations last year. There are so many public or
educational talks … on contemporary art, but art practitioners have
become too busy to share with their peers. This kind of
conversation has an urgency; the over-materialism of art in art
fairs prompts us to come back to the question, What is the thinking
behind these products?
Conversation - 'Jungle', 3 April 2010.
Image courtesy artist.
Are there any exhibitions of Liu Ding’s Store on the
horizon?
LD: Yes, the Store will participate
in a big group show called “The Global Contemporary Art Worlds
After 1989″ at ZKM (Centre for Art and Media), Museum of
Contemporary Art in Karlsruhe, Germany.
[Editor's note: Click here to learn more about "The Global Contemporary
Art Worlds After 1989", which will run at ZKM in Germany from
17 September 2011 to 5 February 2012.]
Classifying ‘conceptual’
art
Are there many conceptual artists who pursue
practices similar to you both?
LD: There are… but it really depends
on the definition of conceptual. Is it really necessary to be a
pure conceptual artist [in the original Sixties and Seventies
sense] at this moment in history? … If we have to give it a name, I
prefer to call my practice an ‘event’.
Carol Lu (CL): While many artists
might adopt conceptual strategies and methods, it is now impossible
to categorise them [as purely conceptual artists].
LD: Am I an artist? A curator? Do I
create paintings or installations? You need a description of an
artist’s practice to really understand it. A word is simply not
enough.
In China, do you find that it is difficult for more
intellectually demanding and less intuitive art to circulate
through the art system, especially when compared to, say,
paintings?
LD: It is a common phenomenon
globally for viewer, collector, curator and gallery alike.
CL: It’s even more difficult in
China, as art education and awareness is lagging behind the West.
The communication and acceptance of certain art language is more
challenging, especially in a country where consuming or investment
is still the main purpose for engagement with art.
LD: It will take time. Collectors
need to build a context for ‘conceptual’ works. For example, it
does not make sense to collect [a work by] Duchamp
… in isolation. It’s normal that more intellectual
pursuits are consumed slowly [and] as an artist working in this
field I have learned to wait. More broadly, many theorists and
scientists are facing similar situations.
Conversation - 'Xiangyang Road 38', 16
May 2010. Image courtesy artist.
Artist as
institution
What other places did you visit on this tour? Which
places stood out for you and what about them stuck in your
mind?
LD: The Vienna Art Fair [VIENNAFAIR].
Artist projects are displayed in the centre of the fair and
galleries exhibit around the centre,… demonstrating an attempt to
reevaluate the art system and its structure.
CL: Winterthur and Liverpool. Our
programme of visits is related to our projects – [exploring] how an
individual can build a system. I am also conducting research for
Gwangju Biennale 2012.
[Editor's note: Carol Yinghau Lu
was named Joint Artistic Director of
the 9th Gwangju Biennale 2012 in July
2011.]
Can you elaborate on how your projects relate to the
individual in the art system?
CL: We are testing the possibility
that an individual doesn’t need the existence of an institution to
function. Thus, the artist is not limited by the educational and
public obligations of an institution. The British curatorial
collective Formcontent is a good example [of an organisation that
works in this way].
Is your interest in this concept linked to the project
Little Movements?
CL: Yes. Little Movements is really
an extension of Liu Ding’s Conversations. It exists in three forms:
ongoing roundtable private discussions, publications and
exhibitions. In a way that is similar to those of Liu Ding’s shop,
the discussions [in Little Movements] are very in-depth and involve
seven or eight people, with Liu Ding and myself as the
moderators. We want to raise questions around the
kinds of motives and methods an individual should adopt in order to
continue working when they are placed in the art system, with all
its obligations of education, publication and curation.
Where will Little Movements be exhibited?
CL: In September [2011], it will be
shown at Shenzhen OCAT (Shenzen OCT Contemporary Art Terminal),
entitled “Little Movements: Self-Practice in Contemporary Art”. In
July [2011], we participated in an international forum on
alternative practice, State of Independence, at REDCAT in Los Angeles. We
will also show in Italy in 2013.
Liu Ding, 'Liu Ding's Store - The
Utopian Future of Art, Our Reality', 53rd Venice Biennale, Chinese
Pavilion, Venice, Italy, 2009, installation view. Image courtesy
artist.
This sounds like a very busy calendar. Are there any
other upcoming plans we haven’t touched upon?
CL: We will continue with our Little
Movements research. Actually, we have an office called 艺术与理论办公室
(Office for Art Theory). Our dream is to promote a
possible parallel discussion between art and theory, rather than a
strict separation of the two.
LD: How can both [art and theory] be
creative subjects? We are interested in the creativity of
theory.
Would it be correct to suggest that a rethinking of this
nature is urgently needed in China?
CL: It’s universally needed. During
our discussions with peers in the United Kingdom, they shared a
similar sense of urgency for this reconsideration of creativity. As
creators, we need to reconsider and recreate the existing theory,
not just learn and memorise it.
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